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Author Thread: Donate your timeshare can get you cash but read this first.  (Read 4144 times)
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« on: September 24, 2007, 02:00:09 AM »

The question often is, can you get a tax write off for donating your timeshare. The answer is YES!

The first concern is where you live and what taxes you pay. Each country handles donations differently and don't expect anyone here to advise you on your place of residence. Beyond that, there is a LOT MORE to tax credit for donations than most people understand.

First, there are a few things you need to consider.
1. The write off is against your income like an other deduction, not a tax credit.
2. You have to find a non-profit organization (NPO) willing to accept your timeshare.
3. You have to be careful how your timeshare is evaluated.

Let me give you a little background. I work with a NPO that does accept timeshares. So I have a fair idea of what I'm talking about.

When you attempt to donate your timeshare you will often find that the NPO puts you together with a broker who actually sells your timeshare for whatever they can get for it. The NPO doesn't take title except at the very last second in a double closing so you are donating it to them while they are selling it to someone else. When that is done, you face a few hurdles. Some timeshares at some resorts NEVER sell and those will be rejected outright by the NPO. Until the broker sells it you continue to be responsible for all fees. When it is sold, a value is established which can't be argued with. "Your" timeshare was only worth what someone actually paid for it, therefore according to the IRS you can only deduct the amount that was actually received. Even if you have an appraisal, it doesn't matter. Even if the NPO takes title and holds on to the timeshare for awhile, if they do sell it, they are required by law to notify you if the sale price is different than the credit they gave you so you can adjust your future income deductions up or (more likely) down to coincide with the real sale price. If you have a $10,000 timeshare you could get only $1,500 in deduction credit.

The NPO I work with does it differently and you may find some others that do this, also. The NPO takes title now and NEVER sells it. As such they are required by the IRS to find the Fair Market Value (FMV) based on one of three methods dictated by the IRS. 1.) What do the majority of similar timeshares sell for in the open market. Think about this for a moment. The majority are sold by the resort, therefore their sale price along with what you willingly paid for it establishes FMV. 2.) What is the rental income determine as an investment if it was bought for that purpose (doesn't apply here). 3.) What would it cost you to replace the timeshare on the open market. Again, think. You would probably have to go to the resort and pay their retail price. Therefore, if your unit is NOT sold, the FMV can be fairly and legally established as the price close to the retail price currently at the resort. That value is then your deduction. The difference can be literally thousands of dollars difference. This would give you $10,000 in deduction credit. In a 25% tax bracket, that's worth over $2,000 more in your pocket!

One difference between the two (there are variations) is that the first may deduct the costs of closing and commissions from your credit but they don't usually charge you anything else. The second may charge you a fee or ask for an additional donation since they are NOT selling the timeshare. Consider what you get back at tax time to see which gives you more money. Both get you out of your further lifelong financial obligations.

Two questions often arise. 1. How can the NPO take over the financial obligations and continue in business? That is a business trade secret, but I can tell you they often work our something with the resort to retire the unit. 2. Isn't there a $5,000 limit on timeshare donations? NO!! I've read this many, many places EXCEPT from anything from the IRS. Their only response is to review two publications - Pub. 561 Fair Market Value Determination and Pub. 526 Contributions. First of all, the $5,000 limit makes no sense. It's like saying your car isn't worth the same as one on the dealers lot because you can find it cheaper on eBay. Baloney, That's what Kelly's Blue Book is for - everyone and it's based on sales completed, not prices offered. The $5,000 limit is on taking a deduction WITHOUT any documentation to prove the FMV you deduct. Regardless of the difficulty, you have just as much right to sell at the same price as the resort does and unless you prove otherwise by selling it for less, the IRS says to use at least one of the three methods above to compute FMV.



Dr. Ken Rich
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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2007, 06:49:32 PM »

Hello All,

My name is Chris Lindgren and I am the Donation Coordinator at a company called The CharityGroup. We are a soon to be 6 year old company that has helped hundreds of people donate their timeshare to benefit their favorite non-profit. Eric has invited me to present some information about the timeshare donation process.

Firstly, I would like to address some of the info noted by Dr. Rich.

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"The NPO doesn't take title except at the very last second in a double closing so you are donating it to them while they are selling it to someone else... Some timeshares at some resorts NEVER sell and those will be rejected outright by the NPO. Until the broker sells it you continue to be responsible for all fees."

Response: There are many ways to document a non-cash timeshare donation, double-closing is among them.  The CharityGroup (and this is strictly speaking of our process) documents the donation as an authorized agent of the designated non-proft.  Until the donation is out of the donor’s name, the donor is still responsible for the maintenance fees. As an agent of the non-profit, we never take ownership of a timeshare. It is important to research the company or NPOs handling your timeshare donation.

Ask questions such as, “What is your sell-through percentage?” “How long will you market my timeshare?” “What is the standard process?” And “Are there any fees for your service?”

These will help you make an informed decision on whether or not the company/NPO is a right fit for your situation.

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“When it is sold, a value is established which can't be argued with. "Your" timeshare was only worth what someone actually paid for it, therefore according to the IRS you can only deduct the amount that was actually received. Even if you have an appraisal, it doesn't matter. Even if the NPO takes title and holds on to the timeshare for awhile, if they do sell it, they are required by law to notify you if the sale price is different than the credit they gave you so you can adjust your future income deductions up or (more likely) down to coincide with the real sale price. If you have a $10,000 timeshare you could get only $1,500 in deduction credit.”

Response: This is not true, as timeshares, when donated to a IRS 501(c)3 charity/organization, are considered non-cash donations (IRS Tax Topic 506, http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc506.html). Albeit the donor has discretion in valuing the property for tax purposes, and some more conservative donors may opt to claim only the actual sale price, it would be wiser to establish the Fair-Market-Value (FMV), rather taking the deduction on the case-by-case basis.

As you stated, many timeshares are sold retail, yet I believe more are being sold on the secondary market than you're considering. With that said, getting a good secondary price on your timeshare involves patience and time on the open market; hence, if a donor needs to sell their property within 60 days, the pricing is going to be more aggressive than the scenario of a seller who does not NEED to sell the property and has more time to commit. This also leads me to your next point:

Dr. Rich said:

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“The NPO I work with does it differently and you may find some others that do this, also. The NPO takes title now and NEVER sells it. As such they are required by the IRS to find the Fair Market Value (FMV) based on one of three methods dictated by the IRS. 1.) What do the majority of similar timeshares sell for in the open market. Think about this for a moment. The majority are sold by the resort, therefore their sale price along with what you willingly paid for it establishes FMV. 2.) What is the rental income determine as an investment if it was bought for that purpose (doesn't apply here). 3.) What would it cost you to replace the timeshare on the open market. Again, think. You would probably have to go to the resort and pay their retail price. Therefore, if your unit is NOT sold, the FMV can be fairly and legally established as the price close to the retail price currently at the resort. That value is then your deduction. The difference can be literally thousands of dollars difference. This would give you $10,000 in deduction credit. In a 25% tax bracket, that's worth over $2,000 more in your pocket!

Response: I think your assuming a little too much about FMV and the market. This is a sensitive subject, as tax issues and topics are often on a case-by-case basis. Albeit, we do not know the ratio of timeshares bought and sold retail versus on the secondary market and I would not assume that everyone can take close to a retail price for a deduction, as that is up to the authorized/expert third-party to appraise the property.

Also, I believe the IRS Publication No. 561 Fair Market Value Determination goes into a few more considerations than the 3 you list above, but I would suggest anyone interested in researching it, visit the publication here: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p561.pdf.


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Isn't there a $5,000 limit on timeshare donations? NO!! I've read this many, many places EXCEPT from anything from the IRS. Their only response is to review two publications - Pub. 561 Fair Market Value Determination and Pub. 526 Contributions. … … The $5,000 limit is on taking a deduction WITHOUT any documentation to prove the FMV you deduct. Regardless of the difficulty, you have just as much right to sell at the same price as the resort does and unless you prove otherwise by selling it for less, the IRS says to use at least one of the three methods above to compute FMV.”

Response: You are correct about the rumor of the $5,000 limit; although, it is REQUIRED that you have an expert third-party appraisal completed and attached if one claims for more than $5000. It cannot simply be done by the donor.

I hope this information helps clarify some questions about the timeshare donation process. I would love the opportunity to field any more questions or comments.

Best regards,

Chris Lindgren | Donation Coordinator
The CharityGroup
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2007, 08:50:03 PM »

Thank you Chris for that information! I have been working with the CharityGroup for a couple years now and they are a "Grade A" organization. I am very excited having a donation expert available to this forum and encourage everyone that is looking at donating to ask Chris their questions!

-= Eric =-
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2007, 10:51:06 PM »

Chris,

I, as the author, want to thank you as well. Being aware of all the things you listed, I felt it would have been overwhelming to try to give everything in the original posting. It makes much better reading and focus on specific ideas to have someone like yourself weigh in on specific parts of the post.

One difference between the normal method of taking timeshare donations, whether double closings or authorized agents which is a variation, and what we do at communityhealthtraining.org is take title immediately and them NOT resell it for a period of 36 months. This falls within the IRS guidelines of avoiding the possible devaluation of the donation to the actual received amount. After all, according to IRS at the bottom of the Form 8283 Noncash Charitable Contribution form which the NPO is required to sign and give to the donor it specifically states, "Furthermore, this organization affirms that in the event it sells, exchanges, or otherwise disposes of the property described in Section B, Part I (or any portion thereof) within 2 years after the date of receipt, it will file Form 8282, Donee Information Return, with the IRS and give the donor a copy of that form. This acknowledgment does not represent agreement with the claimed fair market value." Now here's the ambiguity. According to the Instructions for that same Form 8283 it says, " . . . if the recipient organization sells the property within 3 years and does not certify its exempt use. . . " there is the same requirement on recapture of certain deductions. Hence, the donee organization is supposed to notify the IRS if the timeshare sells for up to 36 months for less than the credit taken by the original owner.

As you say, there is a lot more to this than meets the eye and it's definitely in the interest of the donor to check carefully before doing anything. I would hate to see someone donate a timeshare they paid $20,000 for, took a $20,000 deduction for a 20% tax bracket return of $4,000 and have to repay $3,600 to the IRS when they say the value was only the $2,000 that was actually received for it. Without that sale, it's much easier to claim a higher valuation based on comparables. I don't like Big Brother and how they treat so many of us, but I try to make sure I'm protected when I do anything they may look askance at.

Again, thanks for you input.

Dr. Ken Rich
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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2007, 01:38:44 AM »

Greetings!

    My wife and I have decided to donate our timeshare and after reading this thread and the IRS publications referenced, I contacted the IRS phone help line for further info.  You are correct in stating that an appraisal is required in order to claim any deduction over $5000.  Problem is, I can't find a single company in Florida willing to give a written appraisal!  Our unit is located at the Wesgate Vacation Villas and I would appreciate any information on who I could contact for a 'legitimate' written appraisal.

Thank You!
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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2007, 02:14:43 PM »

Hello,

We refer our donors to a company called Evan Stuart & Associates. Their website is: www.timeshareresalevalue.com.

I hope this helps!

Best regards,

Chris Lindgren | Donation Coordinator
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« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2007, 03:17:30 PM »

How would one know which is an IRS approved, reliable value estimation company?

When we listed with Century 21 Flamingo Realty to sell our vacation club points, they sent us a (Broker's Price Opinion of Market Value) statement. Being the skeptic that I am, I would assume that since they are the ones who are supposed to sell it, they would give us a lower estimation than any disinterested thrid party. But if we would donate our points would their estimation be reliable for the IRS (so that we wouldn't have to pay for another one...since we've invested so much money already to have this thing sold)?

Thanks, I'm really learning a lot here!
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« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2007, 08:29:31 PM »

"broker's price opinion of Market Value" is a simple way of saying "I think you should start your price here" its not an official "appraisal". If you're really interested in donation then you should definitely contact the charity group. They are a great organization that I have been dealing with for a couple years.   

How would one know which is an IRS approved, reliable value estimation company?

When we listed with Century 21 Flamingo Realty to sell our vacation club points, they sent us a (Broker's Price Opinion of Market Value) statement. Being the skeptic that I am, I would assume that since they are the ones who are supposed to sell it, they would give us a lower estimation than any disinterested thrid party. But if we would donate our points would their estimation be reliable for the IRS (so that we wouldn't have to pay for another one...since we've invested so much money already to have this thing sold)?

Thanks, I'm really learning a lot here!
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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2008, 07:36:30 PM »

Hello bjpjduck,

I realize this is a bit late, but I thought I would respond to the following question, "if we would donate our points would their [Century 21's] estimation be reliable for the IRS..."

That is a good question, but I think it would serve best to call the IRS directly with that circumstance. Yet, I also agree with Eric's statement.

The CharityGroup has a great referral to a qualified third-party appraiser that if you mention it is for charity, you receive a 50% discount, and it comes to only $99.

Regarding your initial question, "How would one know which is an IRS approved, reliable value estimation company?"

That would be a great first question to any appraiser you wish to work for you.

I hope this info (albeit, a bit late) is helpful.

Thanks,

--Chris
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